OpenAI, Amazon's Anthropic Investment, and the Roman Empire with Zvi Mowshowitz

Zvi Mowshowitz discusses OpenAI, Amazon's Anthropic investment, Google Deepmind, deepfakes, and software bundling in a riveting conversation with Nathan.


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Zvi Mowshowitz, the writer behind Don't Worry About the Vase, returns to catch up with Nathan on everything OpenAI, Amazon's Anthropic investment, and Google Deepmind. They also discuss Perplexity, deepfakes, and software bundling vs the Roman Empire. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite:

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00:00:00 - Episode Preview
(00:02:42) - Nathan's experience using Code Interpreter for a React app
00:06:09 - Zvi's perspective on Code Interpreter and other new Anthropic products
(00:10:47) - Nathan's approach of "coding by analogy" using Code Interpreter
(00:13:43) Speculation on capabilities of upcoming Google Gemini model
(00:15:42) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky
(00:17:00 )- Performance degradation issues with large context windows
(00:19:25) - Estimating the value of Anthropic products for individuals and enterprises
(00:22:50) - The disconnect between Anthropic's value and what users are willing to pay
(00:31:56) - Predicting Gemini's capabilities relative to GPT-4
00:30:13 - Rating Code Interpreter's capabilities
00:33:02 - Dealing with unintentional vs. adversarial information pollution
(00:37:53) - Using Perplexity vs. Anthropic products for search
(00:44:11) - Potential for a bundled subscription for multiple AI services
(00:46:53) - Game industry bundling of services
(00:47:39) - Challenges of getting competitors to agree to bundling
(00:54:05) - Concerns over information pollution from synthetic content
(00:56:36) - Filtering adversarial vs. unintentional bogus information
(01:02:20) - Dangers of info pollution visible in Archive dataset
(01:03:53) - Progress and challenges of audio deepfakes
(01:11:15) - Kevin Fisher’s AI Souls demo with emotional voices
(01:12:15) - Difficulty of detecting AI voices/images for a general audience
(01:14:32) - Being optimistic about defending against deepfakes
(01:21:12) - The reversal curse in language models
(01:23:20) - Possible ways to address the reversal curse
(01:46:12) - Implications of Amazon investing in Anthropic
(01:49:20) - Non-standard terms likely affected the Anthropic valuation
(01:51:13) - Survey of the AI Safety landscape

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Producer: Vivian Meng
Executive Producers: Amelia Salyers, and Erik Torenberg
Editor: Graham Bessellieu
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