NYTimes vs OpenAI: Generative AI and the Law with Cecilia Ziniti, Founder and CEO of GC AI

Nathan and tech lawyer Cecilia Zeniti discuss IP law, fair use, and OpenAI's transformative role in the latest Cognitive Revolution episode.


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In this episode, Nathan sits down with tech lawyer Cecilia Zeniti, Founder & CEO of GC AI, the AI for in-house counsel. They discuss the origins of IP law in the US Constitution to promote creativity, the "fair use doctrine" and how OpenAI could argue ChatGPT is transformative, Google's patenting strategy around the transformer, and much more. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

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- GC AI: https://getgc.ai/
- Cecilia's Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/CeciliaZin
- Fair Use Index: https://copyright.gov/fair-use/

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(00:00:00) - Episode Preview
(00:04:30) - Introduction to Intellectual Property law
(00:07:30) - Overview of main types of intellectual property - patents, trademarks, copyrights
(00:10:30) - Could Google have patented the transformer? Google’s patent strategy
(00:16:30) - Claim construction and its parallel to LLMs
(00:17:17) - Sponsor: Shopify
(00:18:46) - Practical impact of open source on ability to enforce IP rights
(00:21:47) - Litigation, internal data privacy, and communication
(00:24:30) - Copyright law and fair use doctrine for transformative works
(00:30:22) - Sponsor: Netsuite | Omneky
(00:31:42) - Big tech company lawsuits when money starts shifting between incumbents and newcomers
(00:34:10) - When judges like a technology…
(00:34:57) - Scraping and Linkedin’s suit
(00:38:50) - NYTimes vs OpenAI
(00:40:00) - Copyright, creators, and music industry licensing
(00:42:35) - Transformative nature of work and “fair use”
(00:48:39) - Middle ground for the NYTimes and OpenAI case
(00:50:29) - Limits on getting injunctions and ongoing royalties from courts
(00:56:39) - Legalities of other modalities, like DALL-E images of copyrighted IP
(01:01:00) - OpenAI’s opt-out for licensing on the text modality
(01:03:58) - OpenAI’s weak to strong generalization
(01:07:00) - Pharmaceuticals and software, AI doctors, public good balancing
(01:10:40) - Why licensed professionals aren’t pushing back against AI
(01:15:36) - Duty to use tools for efficiency to a client
(01:17:04) - Impact of open source and ability to find someone to sue
(01:20:30) - Forward-looking thoughts on what IP laws should be for AI
(01:27:38) - Overview of Cecilia's company GC AI for lawyers

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