Adam Gleave, CEO of FAR.

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Adam Gleave, CEO of FAR.AI, offers a cautiously optimistic perspective on navigating the path to Transformative AI safely, advocating for a "defense-in-depth" approach. He discusses potential "post-AGI equilibria," key capability thresholds, and why fully autonomous, outcompeting AI might not arrive until around 2040. The conversation delves into FAR AI's full-stack strategy, including scalable oversight projects using "lie detectors" for AI deception, interpretability research on planning algorithms, and red-teaming existing defense systems. Gleave makes a compelling case that with proper planning and meticulous design, a comprehensive defense-in-depth strategy can effectively manage AI safety risks.

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CHAPTERS:
(00:00) About the Episode
(03:52) Introduction and Setup
(04:57) Post-AGI Future Vision
(13:43) Gradual Disempowerment Concerns (Part 1)
(20:14) Sponsors: Fin | Linear
(23:36) Gradual Disempowerment Concerns (Part 2)
(23:45) AI Capabilities and Timelines
(34:04) Learning and Architecture Innovation (Part 1)
(40:39) Sponsor: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure
(41:48) Learning and Architecture Innovation (Part 2)
(49:12) AI Safety Defense Strategies
(57:34) Alignment and Training Methods
(01:10:40) Interpretability Research Prospects
(01:17:41) Far.AI Activities and Hiring
(01:26:51) Outro

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